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Elected Officials- If they violate their oath can we hang ‘em?

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.
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That’s the Oath of Office that every US Senator and Member of House  must take before they can  assume their place in Congress.   The Constitution contains an oath of office only for the president. For other officials, including members of Congress, that document specifies only that they “shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation to support this constitution..

The truth of the matter is it’s easier to find a 90 year old World War II veteran still willing to live up to his oath to preserve, protect and and defend the Constitution than it is to find an elected official who care’s about his...

Contra, a contributor here at Grumpy and I were having an email conversation about the the Constitution and efforts by the the left to disarm the public- And how far beyond it’s constitutional limits we, as in you and me, have allowed the Federal Government to grow.  The anti gun-anti Constitution crowd keeps saying you don’t need a semi automatic with a twenty round magazine to go hunting.  That’s true, but as I said to Contra.

Constitutionally you have the right to buy and commission a battle ship if you want- For the first 40 or so years of our existence as a country Congress hired private owners of warships to supplement our Navy

We might not have stopped the British invasion of New Orleans in 1814 if Jackson and convinced the Lafayette Brothers to use their personal (Pirate) navy to engage the British Fleet.  That kept the British warships to busy to give support to the invasion, or use their guns to level the city.

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When he answered he moved the conversation to a different level and one we need to address–
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I agree. And those that feel otherwise are a detriment. Thet state and the FED has become a monster. There are only 435 elected to Congress and these mewling pukes can’t even figure out a budget.  When it comes to Federal Budget I think “meat ax”.  Some would say that would cause chaos. Don’t look now but exactly where do we think we are going if some of those exalted, pandering, sycophants in DC are not held to account? Question is how do we hold them accountable?
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Who are we?
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We are apparently nothing. I do not believe we have an elected government representative of the people of the ‘United’ States. I fear that unless there are some radical changes things are going to get very distressed as we’are chased further into a corner. Taxation without representation is, abrogation of fundamental rights as outlined in the Declaration and Constitution, and total domination of our lives by way of programming and the mind numbing onslaught of government.
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Back to the ‘representation’ thing. Unfortunately too many of us, myself included, have been preoccupied with sitting on our hands when it comes to our ‘elected’ government. How is it our voices are not heard? I do not know one single person that agrees with what is going on.
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Yet day after day I am told everything I believe in does not count and they’re doing what they want anyway.
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Read the Federalist Papers. In a movie (National Treasure) it was said, “People don’t talk that way anymore.” Response was , “But they feel it in their hearts” or something close to that. By reading the Federalist Papers one can see the depth and meaning behind everything in the Declaration and Constitution.  One can also see how very far we have let the grubs in DC destroy and bastardize the meanings. It comes down to this: everyone must do their part and job.  These clowns in DC think their entire existence revolves around passing new legislation.  Tower of Babel my friends
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As I said when I started, it’s easier to find an old veteran who cares more about the Constitution, The Country and the American people than it is to find an elected official in Washington who gives a damn about anything except power. money and their political party.  In his Farewell Address, George Washington warned that we’d get to this point if we allowed political parties to become too powerful.
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The question is what?  How do we force out elected officials to live up to their oath of office?  The simple solution would be to make it a criminal offense and upon conviction hang them on the National Mall in full view of the Capitol and the White House..
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But there’s a couple problems with that-  In order to hang them on the National Mall we’d have to get Congress to pass a law making it a Capital Crime for members of Congress to do what most of them do every day… Can’t see that happening
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And there’s another problem-
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The Constitution forbids the arrest of a member of Congress when they are on there way to or from the Capitol. and while they’re there – basically that means they’re immune from arrest..  The Constitution also specifies the can’t be questioned “in any other place for anything they say during a speech or debate in Congress.   That means they can’t be hung for how they vote issues….. sorry
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What the Constitution doesn’t completely address is how they should be punished if they violate their oath of office- It leaves the matter up to the respective Houses of Congress..
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But the Constitution doesn’t prohibit the People, through their respective States from taking action if the people feel their elected officials aren’t living up their Oath..
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The our forefather’s didn’t envision a Congress that stayed in session year round passing thousands of new laws every year.  They thought Congress would meet for a few months, deal with some pressing issues and go home.  If the people back home didn’t like what they’d done while they were in Washington, they find out about it real fast..
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Between 1831 and 1859 two members of Congress and one Senator where killed in duels.  President Andrew Jackson is reported to have survived at least 13 duels  according  to one estimate.  Unfortunately legislatures (possibly acting in self defense) in all 50 states have long since outlawed dueling..  So with the simple solutions ruled out, we need to find another way.
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We could try using elections to throw the bums out- I’ve seen it tied several times. most people end up voting to keep their bum in office, while they insist everyone else’s bum should go.  That’s why we’re stuck with John Boehner for Speaker of the House and part of the reason we still have the Communist in the White House.  People didn’t see enough difference between Obama and Romney to get rid of the the devil they knew…
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For a long time I’ve been opposed to term limits, I gave the American people credit for being snart enough to realize that to much time in Washington will corrupt even the most honest and best intentioned  people we can find to send there.  Over the last few years I’ve decided that may be the best way to clean up DC, break and start to end both the corruption and disregard for the Constitution we see in Washington.  I think a maximum of three terms in the House and two in the  Senate is reasonable should be the absolute maximum.  It would make sense to restructure the Congressional Retirement Plan as well..  Make it 2 1/2 % of a years pay for every year served- A one term Congressman gets 5% a One term Senator 12 1/2%..   Members of our military are eligible to retire at 50% for twenty years service.  There’s no reason members of Congress should get more.
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I would also encourage people to pressure their state legislatures  for recall laws, that include criminal charges for people who violate their oath of office by helping to pass laws that obviously violate the plain language of the the Constitution.  Similar laws with serious criminal penalties need to be applied to US Senators who vote to ratify treaties that in any way infringe on our sovereignty
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There might be a little Constitutional conflict with that but as a nation we cannot allow Congress to continue to pass laws that allow imprisonment without trial, reading emails without warrants and the hundred of so other Unconstitutional Laws Congress has been passing over the last decade or so..
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  • bobmontgomery

    I think you’re right, Grump, that a lot of the initiative is going to have to come from the States, from State governments and constituent groups within states.
    Besides the mountain of laws, and the absolute ridiculousness of the bureaucracy, with it’s attendant “rules”, there’s this: There are 435 elected Congressmen and 100 elected Senators, or 535 individuals to represent 310 million people. If we had the federal system the founders intended – limited to necessary national functions – that would be enough. But there are 864 federal judges, anyone of whom can overrule what 535 representatives of We the People decided on. It is absurd to have an unelected, life-tenured federal judiciary that large, but the fact that not many people talk about that is testament to the vastness of The Monster.

  • grumpy

    Bob- Don’t know if you’ve ever met Publius Huldah or not, great gal, she knows more about the Constitution than 99% of the people in Congress, the White House and the judiciary. She sends me an email about once a month with a link to her newest paper on the Constitution and how it relates to something that’s going on..

    The Judges have forgotten that getting a life time appointment was never meant to give them the power to legislate or modify then intent of the Constitution.. PB explained it recently refering to the 5 judges who upheld Obamacare……..

    1. Impeach Federal Judges who violate their Oaths of Office. The supreme Court is merely a creature of the Constitution and is completely subject to its terms; and when judges on that and lower federal courts – who serve during “good Behaviour” only (Art. III, §1, cl. 1) – usurp power, they must be removed from office. Alexander Hamilton writes in Federalist No. 81 (8th para) of:

    “… the important constitutional check which the power of instituting impeachments in … [the House] … and of determining … them in the … [Senate] … give[s] to … [Congress] … upon the members of the judicial department. This is alone a complete security. There never can be danger that the judges, by a series of deliberate usurpations on the authority of the legislature, would hazard the united resentment of the body intrusted with it, while this body was possessed of the means of punishing their presumption, by degrading them from their stations…” 4
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    We must elect Representatives and Senators who will support our Constitution by impeaching & removing usurping federal judges. We must elect people who will rid of us The Lawless Five.

  • bobmontgomery

    “The supreme Court is merely a creature of the Constitution”

    And the rest of the Federal Judiciary is merely a creature of the Congress. It could all be gone tomorrow. I live in Indiana, and counting the Supremes, the appellate courts and the two federal districts in Indiana, there are more federal judges who rule over me than there are Senators in the Indiana Legislature. That is an abomination.